my guest for today has already seated here and we will be discussing spirituality versus religion okay spirituality versus religion so within these few minutes we’ll be finding out what spirituality is what religion is and why we should be spiritual and not religious welcome sir thank you good evening fine everyone how are you doing sir i’m doing good all right all right today we’re talking about spirituality and religion now when we talk about spirituality what do we mean by spirituality sir good actually the word spirit appears in spirituality okay so what it means is that uh when we get to realize we are spirits then we are actually in that realization we are actually in spirituality all right so before we started you told me that man is a spirit so dr baphor is a spirit right yes all right so let me allow you to introduce yourself before you because i want to enter into that realm with you and find out why man is a spirit so let me find out what you do your your full name and then what you do first of all yes i’m dr bar for john okay um i’m a health consultant okay on a spiritual counselor okay i’m also a motivational speaker okay there are other things other things you get to do so why is man as spirit because i’m interested in that before we move on to spirituality why and how come man is a spirit because i can see you and you can